
John Orman with Nickels Signs & Graphics paints over what remains of the white lettering of the name of Creation Seventh Day Adventist Church in accordance with a court order.
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GUYS, Tenn. — Members of Creation Seventh Day Adventist Church watched Tuesday as a sign company stripped the letters spelling the name of the church from their building just across the state line on Old Highway 45 in Guys, Tenn.
Under the supervision of a constable, the sign company removed all signage from the old gas station-style canopy and then used spray paint to cover what remained. Religious materials were also confiscated, and several church members stood by holding signs of protest.
It all stems from a trademark infringement lawsuit filed by the Seventh-Day Adventist Church against the Guys congregation which resulted in an injunction barring the church from using the Seventh-day Adventist name. The Creation Seventh Day Adventist Church formed 19 years ago and has been at its Guys location for about eight years.
The church members feel they are victims of religious persecution.
“For us, it’s a matter of religion and conviction to use the name,” said Lucan Chartier, assistant pastor. “For Seventh-day Adventists, that name, using it is actually part of the religion. Both we and the church that is suing us believes that.”
In 1991, the Creation church notified the Seventh-day Adventist Church of its formation, its name and reasons for separating, according to Chartier.
“After 20 years, they finally decided to go after us,” he said.
Chartier said the larger church’s similar action against other churches prompted the formation of the Creation Seventh Day Adventist Church. He said the church used the trademark of the name to “try and shut out any religion that resembles theirs from using that name. We couldn’t be members of a church that was doing that. We couldn’t give our tithes and support to an organization that we thought was forcing people to violate their conscience.”
The churches have some doctrinal differences. Prominent among them is the Creation church’s belief in complete separation of church and state — an area where the trademark issue comes into play.
The plaintiff in the case is the General Conference of Seventh-day Adventists. The defendant is pastor Walter McGill, who church members said is in Africa doing mission work.
Court documents show the plaintiffs filed a motion for sanctions and permanent injunctive relief after the defendant “displayed an unwillingness to appear at several court-ordered mediation conferences.” A magistrate judge concurred.
McGill has since been found in civil contempt stemming from the continued use of websites, signs and promotional materials that violate the injunction.
“They are trying to get an arrest warrant for him as soon as he comes back into the U.S.,” said Chartier. “They are trying to get him extradited. They basically are trying to get all information on bank accounts, our websites, anyone who may be in any way associated with this church, preaching its message in any capacity, and locking them down. So people are at this point either leaving the country or preparing to go to jail.”
It is unclear what comes next for the church, which has had a congregation of 10 to 15.
“There’s really nobody that has been attending for the last few weeks,” said Chartier. “We’re pretty scattered at this point.”
But they are keeping in touch, and he believes they will have a future.
The defendant has been ordered to pay attorney’s fees and costs of $35,567 to the plaintiff.
“Obviously, we can’t afford that,” said Chartier.
Beyond the trademark question, he would like to see a court address whether the larger church’s trademark is constitutional.
Signs and materials were also removed Tuesday from a free community counseling center the church operated in Corinth.
On May 25th Lucan Chartier must face the Magistrate Judge in Jackson, TN to answer for his civil disobedience. It is possible that he will be incarcerated for his behavior respecting his faith.
I consider his actions that were prompted by conscience to be that of a Christian hero. Few in this life-time have such opportunities to sacrifice "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness" for the cause of faith.
May God have mercy on America, the once-blessed country of refuge from oppression.
As I, an asylum seeker for the cause of religious persecution in America, now exercise my faith freely abroad, I pray that Lucan Chartier finds "peace in the eye of the storm."
I guess Daniel wasn't living in the real world either.
Incidentally, another recent link:
http://www.wbbjtv.com/Church Sign Returns.html
Your not living in the real world. The Lord Himself said to obey the laws of the land.
Anyway this is not debatable and there will not be anymore replies from me.
SAGA http://www.wbbjtv.com/Church Signs Come Down.html
Obviously, Some of the people who wrote comments on this issue are not entirely familiar with SDA doctrine. "type" or "trademark" are unimportant. what is important is the LOVE for the LORD and SAVIOUR JESUSCHRIST and for one another as seekers of salvation. It is a shame that GC is spending the people's tithe money or should I say the Lord's money on controversies, instead of keeping the commandments,"LOVE GOD ABOVE ALL AND ONE ANOTHER.
So if you took a name, "microsoft computers" you will be prosecuted for copyright and trademark infringement. Same thing applies here.
So if you broke away from the SDA church or believe another gospel, why don't you create a unique name for yourselves?
5:39 But if it be of God, ye cannot overthrow it; lest haply ye be found even to fight against God.
"Again I say, The Lord hath not spoken by any messenger who calls the church that keeps the commandments of God, Babylon. True, there are tares with the wheat; but Christ said He would send His angels to first gather the tares and bind them in bundles to burn them, but gather the wheat into the garner. I know that the Lord loves His church. It is not to be disorganized or broken up into independent atoms. There is not the least consistency in this; there is not the least evidence that such a thing will be. Those who shall heed this false message and try to leaven others will be deceived and prepared to receive advanced delusions, and they will come to nought."{2SM 68-9}
I don't believe anyone can trademark such a generic name as "Seventh-Day Adventist" that have been used for centuries. Remembering that before the Seventh-Day Adventist,you have the First-Day Adventist (the Millerites) and before the Millerites, you have the apostles, which believe in the Sabbath (Seventh-Day) and the second come (Advent) of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. Do we now need permission from the G.C. to call ourselves Seventh-day Adventist? God forbid!! From Ga.
An extremely important point to remember is that the Seventh-day Adventist Church is a DEMOCRACY not a HIREARCHY. The Conference is able to get away with this because it is assumed a Bishop can issue edicts and all members must obey on pain of excommunication. That may be true of some Denominations. It is NOT true of Seventh-day Adventism. Seventh-day Adventism is set up much more like the U. S. where people may disagree with the Government, protest that George Bush was never elected President or that Obama is not qualified to be President--and we do not jail these people or chase them out of the country and we do not take away their citizenship nor forbid them from calling themselves Americans.
Seventh-day Adventism has NO membership dues. No one can be disfellowshipped for refusing to pay tithe or for sending their offerings elsewhere.
By the way, if the General Conference of Seventh-day Adventists insists on using Business Law to force dissenters into oblivion and to refer to its churches as "places of business" and members as "customers" is it not fair to ask how that Denomination stacks up in OTHER areas of Law applying to Businesses? For instance, how many Black pastors does the Kentucky-Tennessee Conference of Seventh-day Adventists employ? Aren't their churches racially segregated and unequal? How many women serve as ordained pastors in the Kentucky-Tennessee Conference of Seventh-day Adventists? Or does the Denomination practice a glass cieling of deliberate and blatant gender discrimination in open violation of Federal Law? How about parking? I wonder what it would cost the Kentucky-Tennessee Conference of Seventh-day Adventists to construct paved parking lots equal to the seating capacity of each of their "places of business" as all real businesses are required to do?
Please understand: I don't care if they are segregated, don't allow women to be officially ordained as ministers, and have parking lots woefully inadaquate to the theoretical seating capacity of the church it serves. But if they're going to use Business Law against their Brethern, shouldn't they be prepared to have it used against themselves?
He[king of the north -papacy] has been entering into the glorious land [ primarily the SDA Church] overthrowing many [especially leadership]. Now after many years of popery entering in shall we not expect the the spirit of the papacy to be manifested in the glorious land. Now the Roman Church was an ecclesitical power clothed with the civil power.
Its time for Martin Luther or the Protest of the German Princes -
One of the noblest testimonies ever uttered for the Reformation, was the Protest offered by the Christian princes of Germany at the Diet of Spires in 1529. The courage, faith, and firmness of those men of God, gained for succeeding ages liberty of thought and of conscience. Their Protest gave to the reformed church the name of Protestant; its principles are the very essence of Protestantism. {GC88 197.1}
And then of course there is the bible injunction - 1 Cor. 6:1 = Dare any of you, having a matter against another, go to law before the unjust, and not before the saints?
My dearly beloved brothers and sisters, do you believe this is TRUE Religious Persecution or is it self inflicted. The Prophet to the Remnant Church says this is the name the Lord gave us. We settle into the truth in our hearts/ minds not on billboards and signs. These people want to fight the mother church over a name that belongs to every person that believes in the Seventh-Day Sabbath and the Advent message.
The Mother Church has copy right on the name to not only protect them but us also. Sure, I know the leaders for the most part are in apostasy but the church is not no Babylon, it is just run for the most part buy Babylonians. Matt. 13:30
I just do not see this as religious persecution, I see it as picking a fight with a big dog. We as true pioneer Seventh-Day-Adventist need to be wise as serpents and harmless as doves. Persecution will come. Our dear LORD and SAVIOUR did not do the the SDA church of HIS day proclaim HE was ans is the CHRIST, surely he had and has right to the name. He did not invite persecution by waving a sign or placing it on billboards.
If these dear brothers and sisters in the Lord were just worshiping on the Sabbath and calling themselves Seventh-Day-Adventist and the mother church came in and say , "you can not worship on the Sabbath and you can not call yourselves Seventh-Day-Adventist then that would to me be religious persecution.
ref: Mother Church.... only because of the name "Seventh-Day-Adventist" copy right by them which identifies the Remnant Church.